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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.15 15:40:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:HERETIC - The Heretic gets its missile bonuses applied to lights as well as rockets, and gains an extra launcher for people who want to fit it with damage in mind...
Would have sounded awesome and Amarr like if it was on its lonesome, but why does all the two other revised Interdictors get to have more damage without even wanting to fit for damage and on top of better raw damage they also get application of said damage ..
It is fine to let the Flycatcher be the ultimate missile spammer with application+damage+range and the two others split range and application .. but why, oh why the raw damage discrepancy?
Considering that the Heretic has worse application I'd say it ought to have more raw damage than the others .. as in same 10%/lvl with the seven launchers.
PS: They will never get to use any combat ability they may have in any measurable sense after the new Interceptors go live, forever destined to drop bubbles in suicide runs. One way to head that off at the pass would be to distinguish between anchored and dropped bubbles and allow the latter to override nullifier bonuses .. ie. Interdictors as straight up hard counters to Interceptors. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
803
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Posted - 2013.10.19 15:30:00 -
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For Goddess sake, do you all absolutely have to quote the entire wall when adding only a single line or character? Yes it is a good read, but contains nothing that has not already been stated numerous times throughout the thread and years .. kudos to Ganthrithor for gathering most of it up in a rational and legible post though.
Lets get down to it and go through the motions in proper fashion, I'll start with two of the biggest points:
1. What is the purpose of Interdictors and where do/should they fit into current and possible future meta?
My take - Mobile bubbling where statics have yet to go up or not wanted/needed. Act as hard counters to everything sub-cruiser. AoE battle field controllers.
2. What hindrances do they face in performing above mentioned duties?
My take - Too slow. Too big. Too weak (tank and dps both) and flat out uninspired bordering on obsolete.
Ideas for "solutions" (rather random, sorry  ):
- Add +50% (or similarly insane amount) unstacked resists for 30s immediately after dropping a probe.
- More speed. Lower signature. Better damage+application and more consistent tanking.
- Add Void (continuous drain) and Lockbreaker (as if inside POS bubble) effect probes to be used by Interdictors. Design them around fitting twin launchers to facilitate the use of available probes.
- Let them get double link bonuses (for when they come on-grid).
- Give them a BO'esque cloaked movement bonus albeit even larger.
Bottom line: It is insanity to consider each ship on its own, doubly so with regard to ships meant to collaborate with others. 'Dictors are fleet/gang tools so primary concern should be to make them as indispensable and powerful in that theatre as logistics/eWar. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
803
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Posted - 2013.10.21 23:39:00 -
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Witchking Angmar wrote:David Kir wrote:And there we go, the Minmatar ships has the worst agility of the lot.
Yup, makes sense.
Well it's not as if they traditionally as a faction rely on great mobility and speed tanking...
That school of reasoning went bye-bye with tiericide, I should know I tried my damnedest to use it when Amarr suddenly got a Vagabond'esque kiting cruiser in the Nomen .. or when drones+missiles suddenly started popping up in the weirdest places.
All races will have all options available to them in as many size categories as feasible. That is seemingly CCP's interpretation of "tiericide" .. racial flavour/bonuses are a distant tertiary consideration, at least until we can knock some sense into the volcano huggers  |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
803
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Posted - 2013.10.22 08:59:00 -
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Alain Badiou wrote:Or, you could have just quoted Ganthrithor which states many of your points only far more lucidly. :)
Why on Earth would I quote something that does not add anything to the thread/discussion at large, make no sense. The post was merely a 'the story so far' type of thing only it excluded all suggestions made thus far that at least tried to help CCP with a few extra neurons.
Stamping ones feet and holding ones breath can only get one so far 
Besides, the incessant full quotes with a single word or single line are (subject to interpretation) against the forum rules and I am an obedient sheep to authority!
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
806
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Posted - 2013.10.29 11:50:00 -
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Roden .. one of the most pronounced about-face's in Eve history I reckon.
Did you discuss just that or have you committed resources to fleshing out an Eve wide dogma rather than merely reacting to forum pressure whenever you miss the mark?
Flogging it once more:
There once was an overarching 'theme', but it has been eroded the past few years to accommodate new hulls and tiericide even though you didn't have to .. there was ample room within the constraints of the old school for all the newness but since that time has come and gone you really ought to do tap everyone with clearance and flesh out a new paradigm.
It is for your (and Eve's) own good don't you know, because if you get used to being able/allowed to change "fundamental" things to make new ideas work the design/thought part of your brains grows lazy to the detriment of everything/-one.
Makes sense however;
Gallente/Amarr having gun-hull and drone-hull peddlers (Khanid is not Amarr proper so all is well) while Caldari/Minmatar have gun-hull and missile-hull peddlers with Minmatar being on the fence as it were with their dual bonuses. |
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